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| By Sterling D. Allan | Pure Energy Systems News | Dec. 5, 2007
Official statement cites "natural causes" but others familiar with the disruptive potential of the inventor's technology to the existing power structure consider it a probable assassination.
On Nov. 11, inventor of a revolutionary, affordable, clean energy technology, M. DeGeus was found slumped in his car, totally unresponsive, in the long-term parking lot of the Charlotte Douglass International Airport in North Carolina. He was taken to the hospital and died a short time later. The autopsy suggested heart failure, so officials were saying the death was a result of a medical problem or natural causes, and not likely to be a homicide. (Ref.; ref.)
Those who were involved with his research are doubtful, citing, among other things, that he had been in good health at around age forty five. The timing is also suspicious. He was apparently on his way to Europe where he was to secure major funding for the development and commercialization of his technology, which could make oil obsolete.
Charlotte Macklenburg Police detective, M. Conner, said that it would be a while yet before the toxicology report comes in on this case.
Tom Bearden, a well-known figure in the cutting-edge, clean energy technology industry, wrote a lengthy report on the inventor, his death, and his technology. He said:
"DeGeus was the inventor of a thin wafer-like material/device that somehow specially aligned the atoms or electron currents ongoing in that material, so that the wafer produced a constant amperage at a small voltage – continuous real power, or in other words a strange kind of “self-powering battery”.
Bearden also speculates about the cause of death, citing a technology that shoots an electromagnetic beam that destroys the body's control of its heartbeat. He said there are two basic sizes of the Venus ECCM technique. One has a range of around thirty feet, and the other, about the size of a bazooka, has an effective range of around 200 feet.
Bearden claims to have been hit with such a device along with his colleague Ken Moore while at a restaurant several years ago. They felt the fibrillation and saw the would-be assassin about 20 feet away, with his suit coat pulled back, exposing a book-sized shooter. Fortunately, they were near an emergency exit and were able to get away before a lethal dose was received.
DeGeus had been in Salt Lake City a couple of weeks ago, demonstrating the technology to some people who were also seeking to raise money for its advancement. That group said that DeGeus was not the only person who knew how the technology works, and they hope to see it go ahead even though DeGeus is no longer around.
The above information has been brought to the attention of the Charlotte media and police. |
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DkGreek, on 12/14/2007 4:07:42 PM
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What a shame, wasn't Tesla also killed by assassination? Also some guy who invented an amazing way to use hydrogen was also assassinated...
First comment.
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vipergil, on 12/14/2007 4:23:09 PM
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No telsa just packed up all his work and then was killed.
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Escobaria, on 12/14/2007 4:24:52 PM
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Yup, It's a crying shame to see capitalism dispatch the inventive mind.
If I were an inventor I would keep everything highly secret, file a quick patent and slap the blueprints and documents on the internet and spread it as fast as possible.
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DolphinWolf, on 12/14/2007 4:25:55 PM
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Stanley Meyers was the water car inventor that was killed. There is a conspiracy around his murder for sure but Tesla was not murdered. Tesla died of natural causes. the conspiracy surrounding deaths is usually with witnesses to big crimes, connections with mafia or CIA linked operations, and of course scientists who develop technologies or something like that that can destroy an infrastructure of a country. Any free energy device has that potential
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Qball1974, on 12/14/2007 4:42:26 PM
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Happens all the time....
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acknot, on 12/14/2007 4:50:18 PM
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Rated dkgeeks comment as trash because of his "first comment" claim. Honestly, that kind of shit should be a banning offense. I've seen way to many communities destroyed by that "first" crap.
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darkm47, on 12/14/2007 5:05:21 PM
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Tesla died when he was 86 of heart failure. He was very skinny and barely ate anything, eventually giving up solid food altogether. And then consider that he spent his whole life as a workaholic and his death doesn't seem mysterious at all.
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acknot, on 12/14/2007 5:15:33 PM
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No darkm47, futuristic oil people went back in time and aged him prematurally using evil oil science.
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Alex702, on 12/14/2007 5:48:19 PM
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Damn, where is captain planet when you need em?
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DolphinWolf, on 12/14/2007 5:51:30 PM
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for reference,free energy devices that I have investigated usually aren't the "free energy" theorized by physics professors but rather "free" is refering to "no operating or little cost" to the production ratio. There are a lot of "free energy" devices which do not consist of overunity but actually are just extremely efficient. The science community should start to look at this stuff more seriously and attempt to replicate these experiments considering we are going to have to any way.
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CanadaChris, on 12/14/2007 5:51:41 PM
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This is interesting.
Yes, Stanley Meyer may have been killed. The official cause is 'food poisoning'
Tesla died of natural causes. The controversy is that within hours (I believe) of his death, the secret service busted in to his hotel room and cleaned the place out. Took everything.
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Scobiewan, on 12/14/2007 6:15:43 PM
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Nah, Tesla just died, but his labs burned down mysteriously on one occasion. I remember reading about these cells he developed, looked promising and it would be pretty shitty if Texaco's hitman department were knocking off scientists.
Although, I did read about some woman scientist type involved in hydrogen cell research was killed on 9/11. I know, I know, unbelievable, right? But before you say bullshit, it is true, women can be scientists.
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HyenaThePIrate, on 12/14/2007 6:30:36 PM
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I see the tin-foil hat people havent taken the holiday season off..
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DkGreek, on 12/14/2007 8:27:53 PM
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Ahh, I remember now about Stanley Meyer, interesting stuff there.
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DkGreek, on 12/14/2007 8:29:05 PM
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Oh, and acknot, calm your ass down... I never cause trouble here.
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Urrelles, on 12/14/2007 9:59:28 PM
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This is alittle off subject....but how does 12t comment destroy forum communities? What's the point of even stating 1st comment?
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DkGreek, on 12/14/2007 10:13:00 PM
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I don' know how it does, Urelles, I don't know why I stated it either. Either way, it's no big deal, unless there's an Evil 1st Comment Monster out there, "destroying communiities". Hah.
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jackgillespie, on 12/14/2007 10:34:03 PM
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@acknot
that is one of the greatest comments i've heard in a while.
Tesla did in fact die of natural causes but I think it was a stress induced heart attack from allot of shit going on at the time along with his smoking habit.
Tesla's lab burning down was long before he died and the general consensus is that it was his own equipment.
As far as this guy I never heard of him. I really cannot comment on his death and suspicion of murder but the biggest mistake to make with anything of this nature is to publicly announce it or to try to make a profit. All you can do is shove your information out to the public anonymously to as many people as possible. Hold a conference with 100 other scientists, give them documentation and also email it to them during the conference and disseminate it through any other means possible. Possibly publish it in a book. Or code it into something. Essentially make as many hidden and public copies as you can.
EDIT: Also you cannot patent an overunity device because you have to explain a patent in accepted scientific principals which say it is impossible.
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NutManIV, on 12/14/2007 10:43:20 PM
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IT WAS ENERGIZERQUEADA
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ParticleMan, on 12/14/2007 10:53:45 PM
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they lost me at Death Ray.
"Bearden also speculates about the cause of death, citing a technology that shoots an electromagnetic beam that destroys the body's control of its heartbeat."
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Arm, on 12/15/2007 12:25:03 AM
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Another perpetual motion machine inventor bites the dust. Whats the bad news?
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HyenaThePIrate, on 12/15/2007 1:16:41 AM
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He should have asked the Oxy Clean guy to sell it for him if he wanted it exposed to the public market.
That guy can pimp anything on t.v. at 2 am and make it seem like something you absolutely cannot live without.
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Arm, on 12/15/2007 2:19:48 AM
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Oxy Clean, what a bunch of bullshit. Washing soda (available at the laundry aisle at the store) and hydrogen peroxide will do the same thing.
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Ref1ect1ons, on 12/15/2007 4:11:54 AM
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why is free-energy such a hard concept to deal with.
The power of the ionosphere was harnessed by Tesla 50 years ago. He even realised that it could be used to charge the whole ionosphere providing power to the whole world at no expense and eliminating a heavy burden of poverty.
Of course charging the magnetic sphere we all live in could have a huge negative impact if it got into the wrong hands. So he put it on the backburner but there is still evidence of this achievement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower ...tesla's tower in NJ.
Notice in the article, it talks of telecommunications and most importantly "the wireless transmission of power" through the atmosphere. Something that is still not used on quite the same level even today (unless ur talking emf/radio).
Well put on ur tin-hats because anyone who suggest anything different to the herd and therefore insults their closed minds is obviously a "nutcase". Hell, why not apply this logic to anyone who is different to you, cause that's all it is.
Anyone who spoke out in Nazi germany was a pariah and "conspiracy theorist", allowing the herd mentality to continue, in insanity (could it be labelled anything else?) ...out of fear of being different. Insane.
I'm not afraid to be labelled a nutcase, better than being a sheep. Atleast I consider all points and avoid settling on any so-called truth.
Hyena ur still a stupid POS.
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Liberal, on 12/15/2007 5:30:59 AM
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@hyena
"I see the tin-foil hat people havent taken the holiday season off."
its a 24/7 job seeing shit that just isn't there.
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DarkenedSoul, on 12/15/2007 6:58:05 AM
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at liberal: quite exhausting so it seems, i mean... when i'm tripping for three days 24/7 i'm already really tired seeing all kinds of stuff that isn't there... can't imagine someone tripping all his life through... must be hell... a fun...
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zardexm, on 12/15/2007 7:19:54 AM
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If a scientist invents something important at this day and age it will almost immediately be known and shared amidst the global science community.
Science community is kind of like a form of democracy... there is no way to completely control information with some weird conspiracy when the information is shared by a wide number of people with different views and motives.
The diversity of people in the science community also keep patents safe.
You can't steal a patent so easily when a thousand scientists around the world already know who really came up with it.
When Nikola Tesla lived patent thefts were still fairly common.
Early on after entering USA Nikola Tesla got badly shafted in business by Thomas Edison and became very paranoid about his patents so that is one of the reasons he kept his inventions and records to himself.
I find it hard to believe there is any conspiracy relating Tesla either, it is more likely that the Federal Government took advantage of an existing situation and the great opportunity to get sole possession of the information of Tesla's inventions when he died with the pretense of protecting the patents.
On another note I do not deny that the technology to induce heart failure exists. I know it exists although I haven't heard or seen any proof of the kind of device mentioned on this article... what I do know about is an untraceable poison injection.
But that is besides the point... nothing in the real world suggests there ever was a discovery of a battery that charges itself and the so called scientific logic behind this invention in general is so absurd it forces me to conclude the whole article is bullshit.
What I do know however is that free energy technologies are well on their way in the global Science communities and the actual technology more or less is already invented.
There are several more efficient ways of producing hydrogen to become not only cleaner but a more efficient source of energy then oil, coal or natural gases.
The only problem is designing a way to contain the hydrogen in a cost productive and practical way that would allow it to remain in the state it can be used as and distributed as a fuel.
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HyenaThePIrate, on 12/15/2007 11:02:30 AM
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@reflections
I give you an A+ on your post.
You're post was a shining example of liberal commentary.
You went off on a tangent about Tesla in a way that clearly illustrates that you're still convinced in the conspiracy theory that he was 'assassinated'. Those crafty assassins killed him using a combination of old age and fatigue..
You then worked in a comparison of America to "Nazis" and germany, a requisite for liberal posts. Good job.
and finally you even lovingly managed to end your post with a direct insult, in order to give your post more 'Oomph!'.
Good job!
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strangest1ofall, on 12/15/2007 11:16:13 AM
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Blah blah blah, liberal this.. la la, conservative that. Stereotypes hurt us all. Except now instead of making a judgement based on skin colour you're making it based on a paragraph. A few sentences posted on an online community, having never even actually met or conversed with this person. You just automatically assume this person is super liberal so you can ad hominim the shit out of them.
This is why these discussions always turn out to be bullshit. Very few people here actually know how to argue effectively. The majority of you should be more worried about your first high school exams coming up than half of the nonsense articles posted here.
Possible replies I'm expecting would be "fuck you you dirty Jew" or "This guy must be Arab", but ultimately nothing adressing a single point I've made.
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Liberal, on 12/15/2007 1:29:43 PM
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@Hyena
must you insult liberals, I think dirty hippy douche bag would have been more accurate in describing him.
Its not fair to sterotype either conservatives or liberals.
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xxigodzixx, on 12/15/2007 2:53:12 PM
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Of course everything in this world comes down to Liberal or Conservative.
Is the world really seen in black and white?
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Science community is kind of like a form of democracy... there is no way to completely control information with some weird conspiracy when the information is shared by a wide number of people with different views and motives."
Not entirely true. The scientific community is very hesitant to accept new ideas, especially ones that defy the current understanding of physics.
The concept of "Free Energy" (more than 100% efficiency) is shunned amongst the scientific community, and anyone who claims they can create a perpetual motion device is labeled a crackpot and their reputation is ruined almost instantly.
Stanley Meyer received the same criticism when he claimed that his Water Fuel Cell produced more energy than it consumed.
The device used very little amount of electrical energy, but it produced a huge amount of hydrogen, with little or no heat (energy lost as heat).
The design was proven to be so efficient that he received death threats from unknown sources. A few oil companies even contacted him and offered him huge sums of money to stop his research.
But even then, despite his claims, the scientific community never embraced his invention. Even if it didn't produce free energy, it is still a much more efficient way of creating hydrogen when compared to electrolysis.
Obviously a device like his would bring most energy companies down because it was definitely possible to keep the device running on a hydrogen power source...while producing the fuel for that power source and still have plenty of energy to spare.
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DolphinWolf, on 12/15/2007 4:59:34 PM
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@zardexm
Your post is the most arrogant I have ever had a chance to read.
For your information, thousands of scientific advancements are never made and take a very long time to become noticed for hundreds of reasons. If you don't understand that, then you don't get it.
As a person who comes from a science community and family, I can assure you that most inventions never get noticed. If the inventions threaten any economic balance, they are a national security issue. ANY FREE ENERGY device would be considered NATIONAL SCURITY for 2 reasons:
It would end the world economy
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It could be used to create massive destructive force
That is why free energy IS NOT and HAS NOT been accepted by the "scientific community
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DolphinWolf, on 12/15/2007 5:01:30 PM
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Aside from the scientific community being to cocky and arrogant to even look at the claim, as usual, they believe they know everything already
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dude2007a, on 12/15/2007 7:56:10 PM
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Just like the Roman Catholic Church in the dark ages.
People just refer people who are free thinkers as people who wear tin-foil hats. Back in my day and early 1700s I remember in science and history class Copernicus, Galileo was one of these tin foil hat people by todays standards. He was scrutinized for re-introducing a forgotten concept that the solar system was not geo-centric or earth is the centre of the solar system, but heliocentric system the sun was the centre solar system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentric
So if your a free thinker, inventor, scientist you get treated as a tinfoil hat wearing people or a witch, warlock just like back in the dark ages.
If your a researcher than its okay, but the downfall of research is if its base on a lie its a lie.
I don't think its free energy at all. More like highly efficient product that should of evoluted from the less efficient forms. Anyway if they ever invent free-energy its just time to create a new country/ world base on warp factor.
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ParticleMan, on 12/15/2007 8:21:38 PM
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"That is why free energy IS NOT and HAS NOT been accepted by the "scientific community"
actually its because there is no such thing.
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KallinSaast, on 12/17/2007 7:25:26 AM
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Wow this sure has stirred up some controversy
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DolphinWolf, on 12/17/2007 8:45:07 AM
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@ ParticleMan
The concept of free energy as discussed by many scientists doesn't exist, however, the concept of "free" energy, meaning energy produced at little or no operating cost, is something that gets confused with in these inventions. I prefer the title "Efficient" Energy instead of "Free." The idea of over-unity is completely unfounded, however, if you examine Dennis Lee's "A Case for Free Electricity" you will see that no one is claiming the creation or destruction of energy, only extremely efficient production of energy.
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DkGreek, on 12/14/2007 4:07:42 PM
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What a shame, wasn't Tesla also killed by assassination? Also some guy who invented an amazing way to use hydrogen was also assassinated...
First comment.
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vipergil, on 12/14/2007 4:23:09 PM
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No telsa just packed up all his work and then was killed.
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Escobaria, on 12/14/2007 4:24:52 PM
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Yup, It's a crying shame to see capitalism dispatch the inventive mind.
If I were an inventor I would keep everything highly secret, file a quick patent and slap the blueprints and documents on the internet and spread it as fast as possible.
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DolphinWolf, on 12/14/2007 4:25:55 PM
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Stanley Meyers was the water car inventor that was killed. There is a conspiracy around his murder for sure but Tesla was not murdered. Tesla died of natural causes. the conspiracy surrounding deaths is usually with witnesses to big crimes, connections with mafia or CIA linked operations, and of course scientists who develop technologies or something like that that can destroy an infrastructure of a country. Any free energy device has that potential
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Qball1974, on 12/14/2007 4:42:26 PM
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Happens all the time....
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acknot, on 12/14/2007 4:50:18 PM
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Rated dkgeeks comment as trash because of his "first comment" claim. Honestly, that kind of shit should be a banning offense. I've seen way to many communities destroyed by that "first" crap.
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darkm47, on 12/14/2007 5:05:21 PM
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Tesla died when he was 86 of heart failure. He was very skinny and barely ate anything, eventually giving up solid food altogether. And then consider that he spent his whole life as a workaholic and his death doesn't seem mysterious at all.
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acknot, on 12/14/2007 5:15:33 PM
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No darkm47, futuristic oil people went back in time and aged him prematurally using evil oil science.
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Alex702, on 12/14/2007 5:48:19 PM
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Damn, where is captain planet when you need em?
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DolphinWolf, on 12/14/2007 5:51:30 PM
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for reference,free energy devices that I have investigated usually aren't the "free energy" theorized by physics professors but rather "free" is refering to "no operating or little cost" to the production ratio. There are a lot of "free energy" devices which do not consist of overunity but actually are just extremely efficient. The science community should start to look at this stuff more seriously and attempt to replicate these experiments considering we are going to have to any way.
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CanadaChris, on 12/14/2007 5:51:41 PM
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This is interesting.
Yes, Stanley Meyer may have been killed. The official cause is 'food poisoning'
Tesla died of natural causes. The controversy is that within hours (I believe) of his death, the secret service busted in to his hotel room and cleaned the place out. Took everything.
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Scobiewan, on 12/14/2007 6:15:43 PM
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Nah, Tesla just died, but his labs burned down mysteriously on one occasion. I remember reading about these cells he developed, looked promising and it would be pretty shitty if Texaco's hitman department were knocking off scientists.
Although, I did read about some woman scientist type involved in hydrogen cell research was killed on 9/11. I know, I know, unbelievable, right? But before you say bullshit, it is true, women can be scientists.
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HyenaThePIrate, on 12/14/2007 6:30:36 PM
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I see the tin-foil hat people havent taken the holiday season off..
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DkGreek, on 12/14/2007 8:27:53 PM
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Ahh, I remember now about Stanley Meyer, interesting stuff there.
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DkGreek, on 12/14/2007 8:29:05 PM
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Oh, and acknot, calm your ass down... I never cause trouble here.
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Urrelles, on 12/14/2007 9:59:28 PM
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This is alittle off subject....but how does 12t comment destroy forum communities? What's the point of even stating 1st comment?
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DkGreek, on 12/14/2007 10:13:00 PM
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I don' know how it does, Urelles, I don't know why I stated it either. Either way, it's no big deal, unless there's an Evil 1st Comment Monster out there, "destroying communiities". Hah.
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jackgillespie, on 12/14/2007 10:34:03 PM
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@acknot
that is one of the greatest comments i've heard in a while.
Tesla did in fact die of natural causes but I think it was a stress induced heart attack from allot of shit going on at the time along with his smoking habit.
Tesla's lab burning down was long before he died and the general consensus is that it was his own equipment.
As far as this guy I never heard of him. I really cannot comment on his death and suspicion of murder but the biggest mistake to make with anything of this nature is to publicly announce it or to try to make a profit. All you can do is shove your information out to the public anonymously to as many people as possible. Hold a conference with 100 other scientists, give them documentation and also email it to them during the conference and disseminate it through any other means possible. Possibly publish it in a book. Or code it into something. Essentially make as many hidden and public copies as you can.
EDIT: Also you cannot patent an overunity device because you have to explain a patent in accepted scientific principals which say it is impossible.
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NutManIV, on 12/14/2007 10:43:20 PM
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IT WAS ENERGIZERQUEADA
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ParticleMan, on 12/14/2007 10:53:45 PM
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they lost me at Death Ray.
"Bearden also speculates about the cause of death, citing a technology that shoots an electromagnetic beam that destroys the body's control of its heartbeat."
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Arm, on 12/15/2007 12:25:03 AM
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Another perpetual motion machine inventor bites the dust. Whats the bad news?
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HyenaThePIrate, on 12/15/2007 1:16:41 AM
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He should have asked the Oxy Clean guy to sell it for him if he wanted it exposed to the public market.
That guy can pimp anything on t.v. at 2 am and make it seem like something you absolutely cannot live without.
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Arm, on 12/15/2007 2:19:48 AM
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Oxy Clean, what a bunch of bullshit. Washing soda (available at the laundry aisle at the store) and hydrogen peroxide will do the same thing.
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Ref1ect1ons, on 12/15/2007 4:11:54 AM
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why is free-energy such a hard concept to deal with.
The power of the ionosphere was harnessed by Tesla 50 years ago. He even realised that it could be used to charge the whole ionosphere providing power to the whole world at no expense and eliminating a heavy burden of poverty.
Of course charging the magnetic sphere we all live in could have a huge negative impact if it got into the wrong hands. So he put it on the backburner but there is still evidence of this achievement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower ...tesla's tower in NJ.
Notice in the article, it talks of telecommunications and most importantly "the wireless transmission of power" through the atmosphere. Something that is still not used on quite the same level even today (unless ur talking emf/radio).
Well put on ur tin-hats because anyone who suggest anything different to the herd and therefore insults their closed minds is obviously a "nutcase". Hell, why not apply this logic to anyone who is different to you, cause that's all it is.
Anyone who spoke out in Nazi germany was a pariah and "conspiracy theorist", allowing the herd mentality to continue, in insanity (could it be labelled anything else?) ...out of fear of being different. Insane.
I'm not afraid to be labelled a nutcase, better than being a sheep. Atleast I consider all points and avoid settling on any so-called truth.
Hyena ur still a stupid POS.
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Liberal, on 12/15/2007 5:30:59 AM
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@hyena
"I see the tin-foil hat people havent taken the holiday season off."
its a 24/7 job seeing shit that just isn't there.
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DarkenedSoul, on 12/15/2007 6:58:05 AM
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at liberal: quite exhausting so it seems, i mean... when i'm tripping for three days 24/7 i'm already really tired seeing all kinds of stuff that isn't there... can't imagine someone tripping all his life through... must be hell... a fun...
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zardexm, on 12/15/2007 7:19:54 AM
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If a scientist invents something important at this day and age it will almost immediately be known and shared amidst the global science community.
Science community is kind of like a form of democracy... there is no way to completely control information with some weird conspiracy when the information is shared by a wide number of people with different views and motives.
The diversity of people in the science community also keep patents safe.
You can't steal a patent so easily when a thousand scientists around the world already know who really came up with it.
When Nikola Tesla lived patent thefts were still fairly common.
Early on after entering USA Nikola Tesla got badly shafted in business by Thomas Edison and became very paranoid about his patents so that is one of the reasons he kept his inventions and records to himself.
I find it hard to believe there is any conspiracy relating Tesla either, it is more likely that the Federal Government took advantage of an existing situation and the great opportunity to get sole possession of the information of Tesla's inventions when he died with the pretense of protecting the patents.
On another note I do not deny that the technology to induce heart failure exists. I know it exists although I haven't heard or seen any proof of the kind of device mentioned on this article... what I do know about is an untraceable poison injection.
But that is besides the point... nothing in the real world suggests there ever was a discovery of a battery that charges itself and the so called scientific logic behind this invention in general is so absurd it forces me to conclude the whole article is bullshit.
What I do know however is that free energy technologies are well on their way in the global Science communities and the actual technology more or less is already invented.
There are several more efficient ways of producing hydrogen to become not only cleaner but a more efficient source of energy then oil, coal or natural gases.
The only problem is designing a way to contain the hydrogen in a cost productive and practical way that would allow it to remain in the state it can be used as and distributed as a fuel.
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HyenaThePIrate, on 12/15/2007 11:02:30 AM
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@reflections
I give you an A+ on your post.
You're post was a shining example of liberal commentary.
You went off on a tangent about Tesla in a way that clearly illustrates that you're still convinced in the conspiracy theory that he was 'assassinated'. Those crafty assassins killed him using a combination of old age and fatigue..
You then worked in a comparison of America to "Nazis" and germany, a requisite for liberal posts. Good job.
and finally you even lovingly managed to end your post with a direct insult, in order to give your post more 'Oomph!'.
Good job!
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strangest1ofall, on 12/15/2007 11:16:13 AM
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Blah blah blah, liberal this.. la la, conservative that. Stereotypes hurt us all. Except now instead of making a judgement based on skin colour you're making it based on a paragraph. A few sentences posted on an online community, having never even actually met or conversed with this person. You just automatically assume this person is super liberal so you can ad hominim the shit out of them.
This is why these discussions always turn out to be bullshit. Very few people here actually know how to argue effectively. The majority of you should be more worried about your first high school exams coming up than half of the nonsense articles posted here.
Possible replies I'm expecting would be "fuck you you dirty Jew" or "This guy must be Arab", but ultimately nothing adressing a single point I've made.
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Liberal, on 12/15/2007 1:29:43 PM
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@Hyena
must you insult liberals, I think dirty hippy douche bag would have been more accurate in describing him.
Its not fair to sterotype either conservatives or liberals.
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xxigodzixx, on 12/15/2007 2:53:12 PM
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Of course everything in this world comes down to Liberal or Conservative.
Is the world really seen in black and white?
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Science community is kind of like a form of democracy... there is no way to completely control information with some weird conspiracy when the information is shared by a wide number of people with different views and motives."
Not entirely true. The scientific community is very hesitant to accept new ideas, especially ones that defy the current understanding of physics.
The concept of "Free Energy" (more than 100% efficiency) is shunned amongst the scientific community, and anyone who claims they can create a perpetual motion device is labeled a crackpot and their reputation is ruined almost instantly.
Stanley Meyer received the same criticism when he claimed that his Water Fuel Cell produced more energy than it consumed.
The device used very little amount of electrical energy, but it produced a huge amount of hydrogen, with little or no heat (energy lost as heat).
The design was proven to be so efficient that he received death threats from unknown sources. A few oil companies even contacted him and offered him huge sums of money to stop his research.
But even then, despite his claims, the scientific community never embraced his invention. Even if it didn't produce free energy, it is still a much more efficient way of creating hydrogen when compared to electrolysis.
Obviously a device like his would bring most energy companies down because it was definitely possible to keep the device running on a hydrogen power source...while producing the fuel for that power source and still have plenty of energy to spare.
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DolphinWolf, on 12/15/2007 4:59:34 PM
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@zardexm
Your post is the most arrogant I have ever had a chance to read.
For your information, thousands of scientific advancements are never made and take a very long time to become noticed for hundreds of reasons. If you don't understand that, then you don't get it.
As a person who comes from a science community and family, I can assure you that most inventions never get noticed. If the inventions threaten any economic balance, they are a national security issue. ANY FREE ENERGY device would be considered NATIONAL SCURITY for 2 reasons:
It would end the world economy
and
It could be used to create massive destructive force
That is why free energy IS NOT and HAS NOT been accepted by the "scientific community
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DolphinWolf, on 12/15/2007 5:01:30 PM
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Aside from the scientific community being to cocky and arrogant to even look at the claim, as usual, they believe they know everything already
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dude2007a, on 12/15/2007 7:56:10 PM
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Just like the Roman Catholic Church in the dark ages.
People just refer people who are free thinkers as people who wear tin-foil hats. Back in my day and early 1700s I remember in science and history class Copernicus, Galileo was one of these tin foil hat people by todays standards. He was scrutinized for re-introducing a forgotten concept that the solar system was not geo-centric or earth is the centre of the solar system, but heliocentric system the sun was the centre solar system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentric
So if your a free thinker, inventor, scientist you get treated as a tinfoil hat wearing people or a witch, warlock just like back in the dark ages.
If your a researcher than its okay, but the downfall of research is if its base on a lie its a lie.
I don't think its free energy at all. More like highly efficient product that should of evoluted from the less efficient forms. Anyway if they ever invent free-energy its just time to create a new country/ world base on warp factor.
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ParticleMan, on 12/15/2007 8:21:38 PM
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"That is why free energy IS NOT and HAS NOT been accepted by the "scientific community"
actually its because there is no such thing.
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KallinSaast, on 12/17/2007 7:25:26 AM
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Wow this sure has stirred up some controversy
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DolphinWolf, on 12/17/2007 8:45:07 AM
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@ ParticleMan
The concept of free energy as discussed by many scientists doesn't exist, however, the concept of "free" energy, meaning energy produced at little or no operating cost, is something that gets confused with in these inventions. I prefer the title "Efficient" Energy instead of "Free." The idea of over-unity is completely unfounded, however, if you examine Dennis Lee's "A Case for Free Electricity" you will see that no one is claiming the creation or destruction of energy, only extremely efficient production of energy.
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I thought tesla was taken down by the feds because of supposed tax evasion? I know that's not the truth, but that's what it says on record. So they took his land and wrecked his facilities. Then he ended up dead.
As for this guy, yeah, there have been roughly five people now. I think there's one guy that's still alive though.
Ya know, you guys should learn electronics, chemistry and physics. I know about ten different methods of making continuous energy. It's kinda everywhere honestly. We're just not 'allowed' to use it. So what I suggest to you is that you give up your cars and other oil related products.
Start eating healthy, stop drinking tap water or processed liquids/foods. Learn outdoor survival and all that other fun stuff because I think the sheit is getting closer to the fan. Sorry to say.
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